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Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:52 am
by Stilz
Thanks Steve. I won't know anything until I get home next week. And even then, it's going to be Christmas right away, so I won't have time right out.
I never even know about any of this until after it was purchased. All I know at this point is what the add said, and that the motor popped on the way home. I have no clue on warranty from the dealer out in Maple Plane, or anything. If from what I keep hearing on labor costs is true... it;s cheaper to get a new motor from you and do it myself. :lol:
Thanks
I'll try to keep you guys posted on when I'm leaving Ft. Dix here, and on the truck.

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:26 pm
by spots25
Well now, I would strongly consider seeing what it would take to stick a 4.6 or 5.0 in there, depending on which would be an easier swap. I'll bet it wouldn't be bad at all. A friend of mine put a 5.0 in place of a pushrod 4.0 in his similar vintage ranger.

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:36 pm
by Stilz
spots25 wrote:Well now, I would strongly consider seeing what it would take to stick a 4.6 or 5.0 in there, depending on which would be an easier swap. I'll bet it wouldn't be bad at all. A friend of mine put a 5.0 in place of a pushrod 4.0 in his similar vintage ranger.
I think I'm good with the 4.0

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:31 pm
by PBZX3
Sucks about your relationship with your dad. Must be issues on his end since you seem like a fine upstanding young man.

I had the 4.0 in my Aerostar van. That engine kicked ass but then I only had it to about 70k miles.

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:39 pm
by Pappy
Checking car-part it looks like you can get a used longblock for about $600-1000... You'll still be alright, the truck looks to be in decent shape and if ya got it for $2800 + Tax (etc) You're still ahead of the game.....

Yank the old one and pop in a new (used) long block... Drive the shit out of it.

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:01 pm
by Stilz
PBZX3 wrote:Sucks about your relationship with your dad. Must be issues on his end since you seem like a fine upstanding young man.

I had the 4.0 in my Aerostar van. That engine kicked ass but then I only had it to about 70k miles.
My dad and I have been at eachothers throats since jr high, and thanks for the compliment.

Pappy wrote:Checking car-part it looks like you can get a used longblock for about $600-1000... You'll still be alright, the truck looks to be in decent shape and if ya got it for $2800 + Tax (etc) You're still ahead of the game.....

Yank the old one and pop in a new (used) long block... Drive the shit out of it.
thats looking like the best option rigt now. but i do need to get home first. "car-part?" car-part.com? idk

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:14 pm
by Pappy
Yea car-part.com It's a database of junkyards.

It's a good way to shop for parts like that, I've used it in the past for findings motors....

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:05 pm
by Patalrob
I agree with Nils. That would be then best way to locate an engine, mybe look for one under 50~60,000 miles.

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:13 pm
by Steve@Tasca
PBZX3 wrote:Sucks about your relationship with your dad. Must be issues on his end since you seem like a fine upstanding young man.

I had the 4.0 in my Aerostar van. That engine kicked ass but then I only had it to about 70k miles.
That was the pushrod 4.0, those were bulletproof.

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:15 pm
by Steve@Tasca
Pappy wrote:Checking car-part it looks like you can get a used longblock for about $600-1000... You'll still be alright, the truck looks to be in decent shape and if ya got it for $2800 + Tax (etc) You're still ahead of the game.....

Yank the old one and pop in a new (used) long block... Drive the shit out of it.
Did you miss the part about ending up with the same issue he already has? Buying a junkyard 4.0 sohc is like buying a hand grenade that's already had the pin pulled and you don't know when it's going to go off.

First thing is to see what really happened to the one he's got.

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:59 pm
by Patalrob
FORDSVTPARTS wrote:
Pappy wrote:Checking car-part it looks like you can get a used longblock for about $600-1000... You'll still be alright, the truck looks to be in decent shape and if ya got it for $2800 + Tax (etc) You're still ahead of the game.....

Yank the old one and pop in a new (used) long block... Drive the shit out of it.
Did you miss the part about :shock: ending up with the same issue he already has? Buying a junkyard 4.0 sohc is like buying a hand grenade that's already had the pin pulled and you don't know when it's going to go off.

First thing is to see what really happened to the one he's got.
:shock:
OMG...... You just said junkyard.... Do not say that to an auto "Recycling" yard....

All in all then engine you get can be a good one but are you going to have then same problem?

My theary is you drop a good engine in it and resell it mybe make some profit off it and get yourself what you really want.

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:34 am
by Stilz
We will see what happens when I get home.

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:24 pm
by PBZX3
Here's some potentially useful info on the 4.0 I found at Wikepedia

Currently the only version of the Cologne engine still in production, the SOHC version was introduced in 1997 in the Ford Explorer, alongside the original pushrod version. It features a variable length intake manifold and produces 210 hp (157 kW) and 254 lb·ft (344 N·m)f. It uses a jackshaft in place of a camshaft to drive a timing chain to each cylinder head. Three timing chains are used, one from the crank to the jackshaft, one in the front of the engine to drive the cam for the left bank, and one on the back of the engine to drive the cam for the right bank. Ford Power Products sells this engine as the SOHC-640.[2]

Here's the actual link. It has links to more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6_engine#4.0

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:11 pm
by Stilz
differences in 2x4 and 4x4 motors?

found a motor with 33k on it for 950. its in Beltsvile... Baltimore, Md area.

hmmmm...

Re: I didn't know...

Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:42 pm
by Steve@Tasca
PBZX3 wrote:Here's some potentially useful info on the 4.0 I found at Wikepedia

Currently the only version of the Cologne engine still in production, the SOHC version was introduced in 1997 in the Ford Explorer, alongside the original pushrod version. It features a variable length intake manifold and produces 210 hp (157 kW) and 254 lb·ft (344 N·m)f. It uses a jackshaft in place of a camshaft to drive a timing chain to each cylinder head. Three timing chains are used, one from the crank to the jackshaft, one in the front of the engine to drive the cam for the left bank, and one on the back of the engine to drive the cam for the right bank. Ford Power Products sells this engine as the SOHC-640.[2]

Here's the actual link. It has links to more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6_engine#4.0
There's actually a fourth chain that runs the balance shaft.