Older Turbos (pre-EMS)
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oldoutboardjim
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I've always liked the '84-'86 SVO Mustangs, but I'm puzzled about one thing: How are these engines controlled without a computer-type EMS (Engine Management System)? I know that these can be modified to yield some pretty impressive horsepower.
"Old Guy's" SVT:
2004 CD Silver 3-door w/blue interior (one of 244 in that color scheme in 2004)
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2004 CD Silver 3-door w/blue interior (one of 244 in that color scheme in 2004)
Build #879 of 1,978
Mods: JRSC+BBK; C-F-M Rear Engine Mount; FSWERKS Stealth Exhaust
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Steve@Tasca
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GM had turbos on the Corvair and a couple Olds and Buick models in the 60s and they even used water-meth systems on them.
Look at the Grand Nationals and T-Types in the mid 80s, those things are killers.
Look at the Grand Nationals and T-Types in the mid 80s, those things are killers.
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SVO was Fuel Injected.
What you're thinking isn't SVO, it's earlier. Like the 1979 Indy Pace Car with the 2.3T. It was a blow-through carb.
Also, the T-A 6.6T was a blow-through setup.
Most of the old stock carb setups where very sensitive to heat. Being a carb has no was to add or remove based solely on intake heat. Detonation was a mild issue in places with higher ambient temperatures; thinner air was also a problem.
If you can, stick with PCM controlled and fuel injected. The room it opens up for safety is much wider.
Steve,
T-Types were FI.
Corvair, 6.6 Turbo, Starfire/Jetfire are the only non-EMS cars I can thing of from GM.
What you're thinking isn't SVO, it's earlier. Like the 1979 Indy Pace Car with the 2.3T. It was a blow-through carb.
Also, the T-A 6.6T was a blow-through setup.
Most of the old stock carb setups where very sensitive to heat. Being a carb has no was to add or remove based solely on intake heat. Detonation was a mild issue in places with higher ambient temperatures; thinner air was also a problem.
If you can, stick with PCM controlled and fuel injected. The room it opens up for safety is much wider.
Steve,
T-Types were FI.
Corvair, 6.6 Turbo, Starfire/Jetfire are the only non-EMS cars I can thing of from GM.
--John
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Steve@Tasca
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He never said anything about fuel injection, I think he was just asking about how they ran them on the fairly primitive systems they had back then.
I'm well aware that the T-Type and GN were fuel injected, Weren't the turbo Trans Ams 4.9s though?
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I'm well aware that the T-Type and GN were fuel injected, Weren't the turbo Trans Ams 4.9s though?
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oldoutboardjim
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Yes, the SVO Mustangs were fuel injected, but what kind of engine management did they have? They certainly weren't computer ECU's.iminhell wrote:SVO was Fuel Injected.
"Old Guy's" SVT:
2004 CD Silver 3-door w/blue interior (one of 244 in that color scheme in 2004)
Build #879 of 1,978
Mods: JRSC+BBK; C-F-M Rear Engine Mount; FSWERKS Stealth Exhaust
2004 CD Silver 3-door w/blue interior (one of 244 in that color scheme in 2004)
Build #879 of 1,978
Mods: JRSC+BBK; C-F-M Rear Engine Mount; FSWERKS Stealth Exhaust
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oldoutboardjim
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Okay, I'm guessing these were pretty crude. If someone wants to soup up their SVO Mustang, is there a different, more sophisticated, ECU available? Or is it possible to 'tune' the EEC-IV?iminhell wrote:Ford EEC-IV, same as most Fords pre-2000 (after is EEC-V).
I have a computer sitting here from one.
"Old Guy's" SVT:
2004 CD Silver 3-door w/blue interior (one of 244 in that color scheme in 2004)
Build #879 of 1,978
Mods: JRSC+BBK; C-F-M Rear Engine Mount; FSWERKS Stealth Exhaust
2004 CD Silver 3-door w/blue interior (one of 244 in that color scheme in 2004)
Build #879 of 1,978
Mods: JRSC+BBK; C-F-M Rear Engine Mount; FSWERKS Stealth Exhaust
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Steve@Tasca
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There is/was a company called Forced4 Motorsports that was big into those cars, you can also get in contact with the XR4Ti and T-bird Turbocoupe guys as they were quite similar to the SVOs.
Tasca Auto Group- Employee pricing on all parts.
http://www.tascaparts.com/partlocator/i ... eid=213668
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oldoutboardjim
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Wow! A Merkur! I had completely forgotten about those cars (XR4Ti & Scorpio). Kinda weird looking. When Mercury decided to discontinue the Merkur, they darn near gave the cars away (especially Scorpios).FORDSVTPARTS wrote:There is/was a company called Forced4 Motorsports that was big into those cars, you can also get in contact with the XR4Ti and T-bird Turbocoupe guys as they were quite similar to the SVOs.
How about the 1970-1974 Mercury Capri? I haven't seen one of those in eons! No turbo, but kinda neat looking. And RWD.
"Old Guy's" SVT:
2004 CD Silver 3-door w/blue interior (one of 244 in that color scheme in 2004)
Build #879 of 1,978
Mods: JRSC+BBK; C-F-M Rear Engine Mount; FSWERKS Stealth Exhaust
2004 CD Silver 3-door w/blue interior (one of 244 in that color scheme in 2004)
Build #879 of 1,978
Mods: JRSC+BBK; C-F-M Rear Engine Mount; FSWERKS Stealth Exhaust
Do you have one you need tuned or something?
I have the tools here to do so if you want.
There are many 'tuning' options for the EEC-IV. TWEECER, Binary Editor/EEC Analyzer are the big 2. Otherwise there are 'chip' options.
I have the tools here to do so if you want.
There are many 'tuning' options for the EEC-IV. TWEECER, Binary Editor/EEC Analyzer are the big 2. Otherwise there are 'chip' options.
--John
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oldoutboardjim
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I've always been kinda-sorta interested in the SVO Mustangs, but the more I look into it, the less appealing they become. I think the biggest issue would be parts availability. I checked Forced4 Motorsports (Steve's suggestion), but they appear to be out of business.iminhell wrote:Do you have one you need tuned or something?
I have the tools here to do so if you want.
There are many 'tuning' options for the EEC-IV. TWEECER, Binary Editor/EEC Analyzer are the big 2. Otherwise there are 'chip' options.
"Old Guy's" SVT:
2004 CD Silver 3-door w/blue interior (one of 244 in that color scheme in 2004)
Build #879 of 1,978
Mods: JRSC+BBK; C-F-M Rear Engine Mount; FSWERKS Stealth Exhaust
2004 CD Silver 3-door w/blue interior (one of 244 in that color scheme in 2004)
Build #879 of 1,978
Mods: JRSC+BBK; C-F-M Rear Engine Mount; FSWERKS Stealth Exhaust
Check Turboford.org. That's the main forum for the 2.3T guys.
There are still guys making parts on a per order basis. And the cars are still progressing, Folvo for example.
But the big ticket items are very hard to find now, Esslinger ARCA head and such.
It's a niche market.
There are still guys making parts on a per order basis. And the cars are still progressing, Folvo for example.
But the big ticket items are very hard to find now, Esslinger ARCA head and such.
It's a niche market.
--John
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Steve@Tasca
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Iminhell, here's one for you.
Tasca Auto Group- Employee pricing on all parts.
http://www.tascaparts.com/partlocator/i ... eid=213668
1-800-598-1484 or spowell@tasca.com
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BlackSVTGuy
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I almost recently bought a GMC Syclone, is that pre EMS?
Steve,
That one looks to have been a blow-through setup (carb); just like the 6.6T.
Black,
No.
And you're a fool for not buying it.
Don't know if you still can but Jet, that chip company, used to sell chips and a cable and you could tune on the fly. Wasn't much you could do though. Basically change timing and a little fuel. IIRC, was a guy from the MSP area that designed the software, X aircraft mechanic or something I think.
That one looks to have been a blow-through setup (carb); just like the 6.6T.
Black,
No.
And you're a fool for not buying it.
Don't know if you still can but Jet, that chip company, used to sell chips and a cable and you could tune on the fly. Wasn't much you could do though. Basically change timing and a little fuel. IIRC, was a guy from the MSP area that designed the software, X aircraft mechanic or something I think.
--John